Subject	Here is something more comparable---->
Posted by	Kyle(Houston) on December 07, 2003 at 11:51 AM
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In Reply To	Ash's car still made out better there. posted by Marshall on December 07, 2003 at 01:47 AM
Message	The peacemaker from 6000 rpm to 8000 rpm *loses* almost 200 ft/lbs of torque. The peacemaker put out on average about 550 lbs of torque over the powerband Jason's car from 5000 rpm to 7000 rpm holds the torque within 60-70 Ft/lbs. His average is about 607 ft/lbs of torque over the power band. So even though Jason's car made less *peak* torque...It holds the torque curve at an average of 50 ft/lbs of torque *more* over the power band. So lets guess who would win down the track? The *peak* numbers don't always tell the tale. And yes I know one car has N20 and the other one does not...this is just a comparasion of two close dyno charts and the difference in torque *curves*. Kyle "Grumpy Bear" Puckett Sales@sgpracing.com
Follow Ups	"Mythbusters" needs a new show topic: 2JZ-GTE able - AshsZ 16:10:26 12/06/03 I don't think people even argue that - Jackie 16:14:40 12/06/03 No, there's a huge stink about the design differences, - AshsZ 16:19:58 12/06/03 Hmm...How did Top Secret make japan`s fastest supra again? - (SHOWTIME!) 16:44:20 12/06/03 What logic class did you take? - AshsZ 16:59:45 12/06/03 Ash... - (SHOWTIME!) 17:24:33 12/06/03 Damn, you beat me by a couple points on the IQ... - AshsZ 17:29:36 12/06/03 Hey, where would engineers be if... - (SHOWTIME!) 17:32:22 12/06/03 LOL, I like the way you think. ;-) (n/m) - AshsZ 17:44:08 12/06/03 lol, ulterior + alternate = "alterior"? good neologism (n/m) - robo (sebring1970) 17:55:57 12/06/03 LOL it's spelled m-e-n-S-a - good thing you didn't join - crazydonkey 18:43:14 12/06/03 you crazy donkey you ;c) (n/m) - robo (sebring1970) 18:51:56 12/06/03 The scientology people scared me off anyway - (SHOWTIME!) 19:21:16 12/06/03 no offense but....nobody really gives a shit (n/m) - crazydonkey 00:32:32 12/07/03 I have an alternative theory. - Marshall 17:54:01 12/06/03 from what I understand.. - (SHOWTIME!) 18:07:27 12/06/03 I don't agree with that. - Marshall 19:49:43 12/06/03 I agree with you,but they chose a supra anyway. (n/m) - (SHOWTIME!) 19:59:33 12/06/03 And its not the power I'm talking about. Its the - AshsZ 16:28:51 12/06/03 Ive heard that time after time and it sounds - JMT-Z(St. Louis) 16:51:41 12/06/03 Think of it more in terms of who is making the most torque - AshsZ 17:00:44 12/06/03 What kind of boost do they run? - Marshall 17:38:54 12/06/03 Agreed. HP is just a function of torque anyway.. - AshsZ 17:50:57 12/06/03 Re: I don't think people even argue that - SR Productions (Knight Rider) 17:43:07 12/06/03 hhmmm... - Spee 16:15:08 12/06/03 That would be awesome! (n/m) - AshsZ 16:29:58 12/06/03 the car in question... - Spee 17:32:50 12/06/03 Damn, that turbo install looks like a walk in the park.. (n/m) - AshsZ 18:01:17 12/06/03 it is... - Spee 20:00:30 12/06/03 who cares? Does it really make you feel inferior or - JMT-Z(St. Louis) 16:17:11 12/06/03 I do. If you dont, pass go and dont waste your time. - AshsZ 16:21:50 12/06/03 Ash, I see what your doing... - jaymz91tt 16:33:45 12/06/03 well said. (n/m) - emo236 16:43:08 12/06/03 do you really? I basically agree with you if you take - robo (sebring1970) 17:20:27 12/06/03 Ya know Robo..your right... - jaymz91tt 17:28:16 12/06/03 no apology necessary, iss cool :c) (n/m) - robo (sebring1970) 17:49:00 12/06/03 Thanks ...Have a great day.. - jaymz91tt 17:59:25 12/06/03 I was able to dig up a few charts of Supra 2835 dyno results - emo236 16:42:00 12/06/03 Based on what I'm seeing there, the VG is making more torque - AshsZ 16:52:52 12/06/03 What's your mailing address? =) - AshsZ 18:21:26 12/06/03 awesome!!!! - emo236 20:45:29 12/06/03 Ash your sig says Orindus Solum Oriens - Zmas 16:43:35 12/06/03 supposed to be "from the land of the rising sun" (n/m) - ZPilot(Miami) 16:47:27 12/06/03 That could be one of the translations but I'm curious what - Zmas 16:52:41 12/06/03 That is what he has told others it means (n/m) - ZPilot(Miami) 16:53:44 12/06/03 I didn't know he was Japanese! heh (n/m) - Zmas 16:54:29 12/06/03 Correct. And Japan's flag is 'the rising sun', orindus - AshsZ 17:33:34 12/06/03 totally depends on what it is tuned for. - ni[X]it 16:43:54 12/06/03 true. but most supras try to max out there hp numbers - robbase9 16:52:43 12/06/03 well... most torque they can as high in the revs as they can - CarlCuro 09:02:30 12/07/03 2nd...... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 17:43:13 12/06/03 Do I get an A for effort? - aZiator 16:46:28 12/06/03 Post it. - Marshall 17:49:34 12/06/03 You would. - tommunist 18:12:45 12/06/03 LOL (n/m) - Marshall 20:02:52 12/06/03 Here's one more. It's an lex sc powered by a complete 2jz - emo236 16:56:33 12/06/03 They are making 3HP more, but their torque is 15FT/lbs lower - AshsZ 17:02:53 12/06/03 interesting... (n/m) - ArcheR (NoVA) 17:04:16 12/06/03 not really interesting- he's running aftermarket cams. - Marshall 17:43:07 12/06/03 Torque for torque, turbo for turbo, psi per psi.. - AshsZ 18:17:21 12/06/03 Yeah, I think it would be nearly impossible to compare. - Marshall 01:09:04 12/07/03 2nd. too many paramaters. even if you are comparing turbo - crazydonkey 18:50:03 12/06/03 More.... - emo236 17:04:51 12/06/03 From most of our experiences with the VG, I would agree with - emo236 17:08:43 12/06/03 Here's the STINK from supraforums about their miraculous - AshsZ 17:18:04 12/06/03 I found that humorous, but I hate when people go on forums - emo236 17:26:01 12/06/03 Yeah, panties/wad thing I guess.. I'm just looking for - AshsZ 17:36:45 12/06/03 I agree. Well, from the evidence I've dug up for you today, - emo236 17:46:46 12/06/03 Alright, fine. Can I lose my N instead of a keychain? (n/m) - emo236 17:30:26 12/06/03 what cams are on the car that dynoed? - CarlCuro 17:35:33 12/06/03 Sorry....THIS is the disussion you might be interested in.. - emo236 17:41:13 12/06/03 You left out the cam info. - Marshall 17:47:27 12/06/03 OK....but what does his torque *curve* look like???----> - Kyle(Houston) 17:53:23 12/06/03 He didn't post a dyno, just peak #'s. There are other - AshsZ 18:09:03 12/06/03 I think the torque curves are not as peaky & hold up better. (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 20:13:24 12/06/03 Here is a great example---> - Kyle(Houston) 20:22:46 12/06/03 Ash's car still made out better there. - Marshall 01:47:21 12/07/03 That was just an example of a good torque curve...NOT---> - Kyle(Houston) 09:40:41 12/07/03 Here is something more comparable----> - Kyle(Houston) 11:51:18 12/07/03 Yeah - Marshall 13:24:22 12/07/03 I see it as typical engine math. - Marshall 17:59:27 12/06/03 Agreed, and a dyno chart is the best thing to look at - AshsZ 18:06:58 12/06/03 Marshall for president! :) (n/m) - Jackie 18:24:16 12/06/03 I'm already president :-) - Marshall 19:50:57 12/06/03 Adam and Jamie kick ass =) (n/m) - J.R. (phx) 20:26:54 12/06/03 AshZ not to get into details but the Z' head is not stock - Carlos Ramirez 20:51:41 12/06/03 Here's a few that I have saved: - degradated 21:02:02 12/06/03 *Longest useless thread award winner* (n/m) - RSR 23:01:15 12/06/03 Z Has greater stroke. As u know, stroke=TRQ (n/m) - Borg79(ON) 00:56:17 12/07/03 That's not always the case though. - Marshall 02:12:01 12/07/03 87mm bore x 83mm stroke... Z has less stroke - CarlCuro 09:00:46 12/07/03 jesus fucking tap dancing christ. who the fuck cares (n/m) - genic 08:46:32 12/07/03
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